By the time kids leave the 5th grade they should know how to calculate simple percentages, which is one of the most critical mathematical tools we have at our disposal after we become adults.
Thanks to the longtime custom of tipping, restaurants are one of the most common places where this skill routinely comes into practice — or at least they were before COVID reared its ugly head.
That being said, let’s assume for a moment that I am a waiter. And let’s say that I seat four adults for dinner at the same table who wish to pay for their meals with separate checks. Let’s also assume that all four diners order the exact same thing to eat and drink, and that they experience the exact same quality of food and service. I then give each of them their bills (with identical totals).
Okay, Len, what’s your point?
I strongly suspect that, even though the service, food, and orders were identical for everyone, I’d stand a better chance of being declared People‘s Sexiest Man Alive than getting the exact same tip from everybody.
Don’t believe me?
Here’s a Little Tipping Experiment…
What follows is a different hypothetical scenario. After reading it, can you tell me how much the tip should be?
The Scenario:
- You’ve just had dinner at a neighborhood restaurant you go to several times a year. For the purposes of this experiment, let’s assume it’s similar to a Chili’s or Applebee’s.
- The service was average; there were no major flubs by your waiter, but it wasn’t excellent service.
- The food was good, except for the side salad which was terribly wilted — it was graciously taken off the bill by the manager.
- At the end of your meal, you are presented with the following itemized bill:
Coke $2.95
Potato Skins $7.95
Side Salad $4.95
Side Salad -$4.95 (Comp.)
Cheeseburger $11.95
Chocolate Lava Cake $4.95
Subtotal: $27.80
Tax: $2.22
Total: $30.02
- After agreeing with the bill’s total, you choose to pay with your credit card.
So, Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?
Again, I want to know what the tip should be. Obviously, there is no right answer here; everybody is different when it comes to tipping — but I am really curious to see just how varied the tip amounts would be for this experiment.
Of course, this experiment will be a major flop if I don’t get at least four readers to participate (but the more the merrier) — so I’m counting on you to not leave me hanging!
Leave your answer in the comment section below — and remember, you’re on your honor to not look at any other reader answers until after you’ve submitted your own. Besides, the last thing you need is to see my ugly mug one day soon on the cover of People.
Photo Credit: OakleyOriginals
TMS says
Five bucks. And never ever tip on the tax – back that amount out before figuring what to leave.
SILVER says
I tip based on service. 15% med 18% good 20% great with tax included
I would tip @ 16% for this service since I am a reular $4.50
Corinne says
Depending on the tax rates where you live, you could double the tax as a means of calculating the tip – but that doesn’t seem to be the case here! I live in NYC where the tax rate is about 8% – so for average or even mediocre service, I usually double the tax for a 16% tip.
For those who provide really good service, it’s easy to take 10% of the total and then double it for a 20% tip. In this case, that would be $6. Since the service was just average, I would leave a little less than 20% – I’d leave $5. (Which actually works out to just shy of 17% – nicely aligned with my system described above!)
Barbara says
I always figure 15% unless the food and service were extraordinary. That comes to: $4.50.
Chris C. says
$4.50 today
$6.00 when my financial situation was better
Gator says
yep…I always give 20% unless the service is bad. It’s all a matter of how generous you are, not whether you can calculate a tip. I have been known to slip a dollar or two on top of a friend’s cheap tip when they had left the table.
Olivia says
General parameters. If we can swing eating at a restaurant we figure the tip is part of the calculation. 10-15% for medium service. (Calculate by doubling our state tax.) 20% for very good service. (Double the bill and divide by 10). Chinese buffets are usually about 10%. McDonald’s, no tip.
For your example, somewhere between $4.50 and $6.
Now if my husband were calculating it, the tip would round the total bill to an even amount, so the tip would be wonky, like something plus 98 cents. (Remember the gas pump example?)
Warren says
BINGO!
If you cannot afford to tip, you cannot afford to eat out.
*Should* tipping be “mandatory”? No.
But it “is”. So think about it before you go out.
Ryan says
My method: 15%, rounded up so the bill hits an even dollar. On a 27.80 bill, 20% would be about 4.17, so I’d leave $4.98 for a total bill of $35.
Ellen in AZ says
I’d calculate the same as Ryan. It’s much easier also to then keep the balances straight (and not make math errors) on checking/debit or credit cards, no matter which is used.
Linda says
this is exactly how I would figure the tip as well 😀
Charlene says
Try again, Ryan. 20% of 27.80 is not 4.17! (It is an even 15%, still a decent tip for mediocre service.)
PD in 'Bama says
Same concept, but if the service hasn’t been good, I’ll round down. Service was average here, so $35 works.
Sustainable PF says
$27.82 x 1.15 = 31.97. Round up to $32.
Warren says
So…you’re leaving a $32 tip?
Or a tip of $1.98?
Daniel says
No tipping on tax, but I would include the salad that was taken off, they tried and repaired the situation. It comes out to about 4.91. But that gets rounded up to $5.
First Gen American says
$5-$6 depending on service.
I used to be a waitress so I lean towards 20% myself and I usually use the total for my calculation which includes tax.
Wojo says
$6.98 I always tip more when something gets taken off the bill for me.
Teresa says
At a chain with average service, I tip 15% on the total with tax (because I’m too lazy to take the tax off first). So I’d leave a $4.50 tip on that bill.
Candy says
$5.06
I tipped 15% on the bill’s pre-tax total including the crappy salad that was removed from the check. I hope I did the math right. I’m just starting on my first cup of coffee this morning!
Everyday Tips says
I am a sucker when it comes to tips, so I would leave about 7 bucks. (I added the removed salad back to the bill’s total to calculate an approx. 20 percent tip.)
Ray @ Financial Highway says
15% before taxes $4.5 rounded up
Doable Finance says
I think you said it yourself:
“The service was average; there were no major flubs by your waiter, but it wasnt excellent service.”
I can’t say how much tip but the lower the better in this case. You tip more for good service and not for food which is prepared by chef/cook. You tip whoever serves you. The good/bad food belongs to either the chef or the owner.
If they share your tip among themselves, then you must take all three (owner,chef,the server) into consideration. I imagine it’s only the server who gets the tip.
If the salad was not good, that department belongs to owner and chef. That’s whom you complain to.
But the management took it back and replaced it. Why did they serve it in the first place?
WB says
Mine would be $6. I don’t include tax.
Suzette says
$4.50
(First time ever commenting, but I love your blog Len!)
Ilene says
I tip 15% for an average bill – $4.50 but I tend to tip 20% ($6) if I leave happy. I never tip under 10% ($3) but
scarbeg says
I pretty much always tip 20%, so I’d tip $6. If it was excellent service, I’d tip more, possibly making the bill an even $40. As an adult, I’ve only tipped less than 20% a few times, always when the service was terrible. My mom raised my sister and me by herself and was a waitress at one point. Tips are what bought our groceries and paid our bills, so a bad tip week meant mom didn’t eat. I always have that in the back of my head when calculating tip.
Linda says
$6.00. I always tip around 20% unless the service is absolutely horrible (and in that case I’d also talk to the manager). Being a server is tough work, and they get paid less than minimum wage. If I’m going out to eat, I’m not going to be stingy on the server.
Amanda says
$6.50-7.00 20% rounded one way or the other including the cost of the comped item.
Mikey B says
0.00 on the reciept. $5 cash on the table.
Darla says
I’d leave an even $5. As a former bartender/waitress, I absolutely can not stand bad service. If it was bad enough, I’d leave a smaller tip and comment to the manager so the server doesn’t write it off as my being cheap. Bad service is unnacceptable in the service industry. That being said – I always tip 20% or more when the service is good.
Bret @ Hope to Prosper says
I would leave them $5 for a 16.67% tip.
I haven’t bought into the new 20% tip, unless the service is great.
Vivian B. says
I always tip 20% ~ unless the service and/or food was outlandishly terrible! So I would leave a tip of $6.00.
Pamela says
As little as $4.50 for ok service and $6.00 for good service.
Bob Hob says
Tax doubled is 4.50. Salad tax pushes to close to 5. An extra buck for taking it off. $6 tip.
Dr Dean says
I’m in the 20% crowd, unless the service was miserable. But to aid my math I either round up or down to a whole dollar amount-whether I round up or down depends on the service.
I never try to worry about the taxes, makes it too complicated….I’m a country boy!
I have read somewhere that you don’t tip the full amount on the expensive pinot?
What say you, do you add your wine cost to the tipped amount?
Jason@LiveRealNow says
I’d pay $35. I’d also pay $35 if the bill was anywhere from about $29 to $32-33.
Len Penzo says
Just to be clear, Jason, your tip isn’t $35… it’s $4.98. Yes? Although you’d be a waiter’s best friend if it was $35! 😀
Veronica says
Len! I guess you’ll have plenty of answers to help your experience! 😉
Rikki says
I’d say $4. If the service was exemplary I’d do $5. I take the lazy-man’s route and double the tax.
Arleen says
I would tip $5.00.
Robert Muir says
$5.98. When service is decent, I pay around 20%, but I like to round.
melane says
I used to be a waitress, so I generally do 20% as a starting point and go from there depending on the service of the waiter. So for me, I take the $30 and double the first number to come up with $6. In this case, I would probably stick with the $6.
Afford-Anything.com says
$30.02 * .2 = $6 dollars.
Since the difference between leaving a mediocre tip and leaving a great tip is about $1, why pinch pennies? Give the extra buck.
Miss T @ Prairie Eco-Thrifter says
$4.50 based on 15% of bill total
Headless Mom says
5.75
You should add the salad back in to figure the tip, because it was served to you whether you paid for it or not. Bill then equals $35. 15% is roughly 5.75 for average service.
Preston says
When I have plenty of scratch in my pocket I usually just double the first number ($6 in this case). If I were to pay for this meal today, I’d tip $5. Whoops, did I just reveal my current mediocre financial situation?
Robert @ The College Investor says
Since the service was average, I would double the tax and add a bit – $4.50.
If the service was good, I give 20% of the total, so it would have been $6.00.
StuckIntheCold says
I would leave $6. The total is $35 and $6 is between 15% and 20%. I have tended to tip better now that my son’s income depends on tips.
28 to soon says
The tip I would leave would be around $7.00. Most likely $7.98 out of gratitute for getting the manager involved for the salad issue. Waitresses are paid less than minimum wage and count on their tips. Some restaurants even withhold taxes based on the standard tip amount expected on sales for the night, so the waitress may lose even more.
(Its not really ethical, but I have been a waitress in a small restaurant and have been charged taxes on 10% of the bills even though my tips were closer to 7% or so. Managers just said I should have worked harder to earn better tips. Probably true but as a lazy teenager I didn’t really want to work harder.)
I always tip at least 10% for bad service, 15% for decent service and 20% for good service or if I really had a good experience during the meal.
Len Penzo says
That is my tipping criteria as well — although I tip off the bill total before tax, rather than after.
Jessie says
If it is a neighborhood restaurant I go to and the manager did accomodate me I would leave 20%=$6.
Liz B. says
I tip 20% regularly, so my tip would be $6.00.
K9Walkman says
My tip would be $4.98. This would mean that my total bill would have been $35.00 which would be an expensive bill for a meal. Wow! Twelve bucks for a cheeseburger. I would never pay that price for a cheeseburger.
Len Penzo says
Yeah, that is kind of expensive for a cheeseburger, huh? Well, let’s assume it was a half-pound burger with all the trimmings! 😀
Eric says
$4.50
Colleen says
I’d tip $4.98. Take the subtotal $27.80, add back the salad (not the waiter’s fault), and calculate 15% on that = $4.91…round up to $4.98 to make the total of my bill be $35 ~ easier to remember when entering it into Quicken:)
Colleen says
After reading some comments, I feel I need to qualify…in MN, waitresses at Applebee’s make $7.50/hour (my high school age daughter works there), so I don’t feel a need to tip more than 15%, like in some states where waitressing pay is significantly less than minimum wage.
Steve says
I would leave 20% or $6.00, I very rarely tip less than $5 no matter what the bill is. That is if I go out for breakfast (rare occassion) and the bill was $20.00 I would definitely leave $5.00. If I was alone and it was $10.00 I would leave $3.00. When I dine at high end restaurants, Babol, Hammersley’s, Clio, Blue Ginger and others I generally tip between 23-25%. Of course the bill is mch higher but the service is always much more attententive. I do not drop the tax to figure the tip, it add minimally to what I would leave in any case.
jUlie says
6.60…
Add the salad back on before tax. I always go for 20% unless a server makes me incredibly angry. What’s the point of skimping on a few dollars to get down to 15% or 18%…
Michelle says
$35
I always figure the tip based on what you order even if an item was removed from the bill, not including the sales tax. That would be $32.75, 15% of that (for mediocre service, I do 20% for good service, 25% for excellent service) would be $4.91 so the total would be $34.93 (which I would round up to $35)
chuck broad says
$4.98
Pat says
$4.15
Pat says
To explain my logic…
I would not add the salad back to the total as I expect the server to notice what he/she is bringing to the table, and if the salad was wilted, they should have noticed. That being said, I would suggest 15% for average service and 20% for superior service, and there are percentages in between 15 and 20 for varying degrees of added value.
Tipper says
$3.00 I tip everybody $3.00 regardless what my total bill is. Unless I get rally bad service. Then there is no tip.
Alan says
$4.17 Nothing great and nothing terrible… flat 15% before tax.
Alan says
I don’t get why anybody would add the sub-par salad back onto the bill for tip calculation??? If anything I would reduce to 10% for the waitress serving it to me and the cook sending it. Not charging for it doesn’t mean they didn’t mess up. When I order something and my order is sub-par it messes up my whole meal….
Len Penzo says
I’m with you. I would not include the salad in the tip calculation either, Alan. Although I wouldn’t penalize the server either. The server, to me, is the last line of defense in quality control and should not be rewarded for serving something that is obviously bad like wilted lettuce. (Uh oh, I suspect that’s going to make a few servers angry at me.)
Diane says
If you ate the salad anyway, and the management comped it, you should base the tip with it included. If it was so bad you sent it back, you absolutely shouldn’t include it on the bill or the tip.
I probably would have left 35.50 on the table, so a tip of 5.48. I’m not sure what the percentage is. Tipping less than $5 would feel chintzy to me so I’d throw in the extra fifty cents
bob says
$4.50 is the calculated amount i usually round up or down though to make the tip an even dollar amount. so i would round the tip to $5.00 to make the bill total $35.02……its easier to add a hole dollar amount in my opinion to the total, and easier to catch a mistake.
Len Penzo says
Interesting. I round my tips in the other direction to make the final bill total (tax and tip included) end up in round numbers.
Tim says
I would pay a rounded up tip of 20% if the service was good, so with that in mind I would tip $6.50.
That being said I used the total of $32.75 without tax.
Suza B says
$6. Technically, should be $6.60, but I’d round down to the next $. tip should be calculated on the total pre-tax amount, even though the salad was removed from bill. It’s not the server’s fault that the salad is wilted. In fact he/she did you a favor by removing the item from the bill. He/she should get some of the savings in their tip. You did plan to spend that much in the first place. Interesting that if you just take 20% of the the taxed total its still $6. Servers work hard for their money and deserve compensation.
KH says
$5.00
Here’s my method:
Take the pre-tax amount of 27.80 and move the decimal to the left 1 space – that’s 10% or 2.78. Double that to get 20% or $5.56.
Then I round down or up depending on the service. Average service – round down to $5. Good service, I’d round up to $6. Exemplary service – I’d add another $1 or maybe even $2.
Then again, I’ve been a server and I tend to tip pretty well. 😀
Veronique says
I would give between $4.50 and $5 depending on the coins I have with me. If no coins, surely $5. It is a bit more than 15% which is the minimum I give.
retirebyforty says
I would leave $34 or $35 depending on the mood. I’ll pay with cash since I don’t charge meals to cc. 😀
Jennifer Barry says
I would add back the salad price and calculate 15% tip. Then I would round that up to $5. I would be more likely to go back to that restaurant again because I know the manager has my back if there are any problems. If it matters, my mom and I have both been waitresses for short periods of time, and 2 of my uncles owned a restaurant. 😀
Shpresa A. says
FYI almost all restaurants have food runners/walkers .. i am a server and i almost never get to take the food to my tables … as soon as the food is out on that window someone walks it .. unless you were standing there watching it like a hawk which you wont have the time to do and when it comes to salads many of them are pre made where i work everything is ready for us to grab and all you have to do is get the dressing and take it to the table …. something everyone has to realize is servers (most of them anyway) earn their living through those tips and do their very best to accomodate to your every need and it doesnt stop for all of those 8 hours they work… and when something goes wrong and when it does its usually not their fault they get yelled at by the customers then the managers and they still have to go back and apologize to those grumpy a** customers who think that just because theyre paying for their meals their s**t doesnt stink … do i tip well when i eat out yes, at least 20% unless i get really bad service but unless they say something rude to me i never complain to a manager and if something is comped out of my meal i include the 20% of the comped item in my tip because its a b***h getting it off
Dave Sheffield says
this is a no brainer- 5th grader or not. its easy math at a glance 30 dollar check 15%-boom. 4.50. unless something substancially good or bad happens at “regular meals out” this is the method i always employ. I’ve got too many other things to concern my financial thoughts on ie; how to pay 4.00 plus a gallon for gasoline today and more than likely 4.50 plus by summer with no end in sight due to the governments inability or desire to stand up for its citizens.
Jim says
3.00 would be the tip. I tip 10% unless he/she gives me excellent service. Then its 20%. Although I would NOT tip on the credit card. When I go to a resturant I tip in cash (Normally I pay in cash for all but this is an experiment you are doing).
gigs says
I generally tip 15-20%. More or less for exceptionally great or horrible service. For average service I would tip 15%, or 4.50… maybe even rounding up to 5, depending on my mood.
Maryflores says
i came up with $4.20 as a total. i do not tip on tax. If the bill was over $100.00 before tax I would tip only 15% even if the service was excellent. My dad had always said to follow these rules. If I eat breakfast or have a really low bill (under $12.) , I tip at 20% unless the waiter is horrible.
Len Penzo says
I’m with you, Mary. I also generally tip a higher percentage for breakfast. 😀
Beth says
Mary – (and Len) I really like your “rule” of tipping more for breakfast and if the bill is <$12. Thanks for the idea, I'm going to incorporate it into my "tipping standards!"
And I always add a little bit more if the server is very friendly, makes the experience more pleasant, or is very busy with many tables. I worked in this business in college and know how hard it can be, especially when understaffed and busy…can't blame the waiter(ess) for that…
Maryflores says
Oh I forgot the salad. I would tip on the cost of the salad as many times the waitress doesn’t bring the food to the table herself. I also try to leave cash for the tip if possible.
Rob Lewis says
40 yrs ago, the tip rule was 12 – 15%. I started tipping at 15% and still do. Dude to the economy in the last few years, I have tended to round up more or add a little more in the cheaper places (since I am still doing OK).
Yosemite says
Double the tax ($2.22 x 2 = $4.44), then round to the next full dollar amount ($5.00). This always works. While not a very large amount, you account for accomodating the salad issue. Also, you don’t appear cheap and the wait staff will be willing to accomodate you next time since you are a regular.
DQ says
I double the total, move the decimal one place to the left and round down to the nearest bill, then adjust up or down another dollar or so depending on service. So in this case, double the bill is $60.04, moved decimal is $6.04, rounded down to $6. Good service gets the $6 (more if it was exceptional), mediocre gets either the $6 or $5 (depending on my mood), bad service throws it all out the window and they get whatever I think they deserve.
John Robert says
You should tip between 5 and 7 dollars on this one. Those who tip less are scum. You could verify the second sentence with anyone who has EVER waited tables. Splurge a bit. Dare to overtip. It won’t kill you. Always round up to the next dollar as a minimum. Do NOT take out the tax to figure the 15%. No one should be that pitiful and cheap.
Len Penzo says
“Those who tip less are scum. You could verify (that) with anyone who has EVER waited tables.”
Ya think?
Justin says
I would do somewhere between 4 and 5 bucks. If it was just average service and the waiter was just ok, it would probably end up being $4. I don’t ever do the round up method for tips. It’s either $4 or $5 or whatever other whole number fits the bill and service. I’m curious when the custom shifted from leaving 10-15% for good service to leaving 20-25%. I still usually stick with 10-15% unless the service is really good. Usually anything under $10 get a $2 tip, under $20 gets $3 for tip, under $30 gets $4.
Pranav says
$3.00
Beth says
if you cannot afford a tip, or do not care to tip, then don’t dine out. Choose fast food, take-out, or partial-service establishment where table service isn’t part of the meal!
Shay says
I don’t tip on tax (the server is performing no service there!), but I would add in the salad. Since the service was just okay, I’d tip 15%, or $5.00. I’d happily go a buck or two higher for excellent service. Mom was a waitress most of her life, and she;s right there with me!
Kathi says
I would probably tip $5-$6. I know you’re not supposed to tip on tax, but I usually do. It’s the old waitress in me.
Len Penzo says
I do a lot of times too, Kathi.
Steveark says
I’d tip $6, 20% my millennial kids taught me is the minimum tip for acceptable service. Plus I round up to the nearest dollar so tax usually isn’t an issue.
Pasila says
No tip here. In northern Europe server has more or less decent salary.
Warren says
I have three possible answers – all of which are plausible (one of which I *tend* to use more than the others):
1) double the tax – this works pretty well in most jurisdictions
— this will yield $4.44 as a tip; not bad, not great
2) double the 1st digit of the subtotal
— this gets you $5; slightly better than option 1; simple
3) double the first digit of the total
— this tips the server $6; simple; modestly more generous
Yes, I ignored the value of the comped side salad. No, I’m not changing my answer.
If *a notable value* has been comped (eg an entire meal), I’ll tip “as if” it weren’t – but since I’ve apparently ordered a slice of cake (and, likely, wouldn’t have if the salad wasn’t comped) … it all evens out in the end.
It gets more fun when you add alcoholic beverages 😀
ftr – I even wrote this up 6+ years ago on my blog 😀
https://antipaucity.com/2014/02/14/on-tipping/#.XzvNqkkpCXo
Len Penzo says
Just an observation: I notice most of you included the tax as part of the total you use to determine the tip calculation.
InhalingCO2 says
$ 6.00, but I haven’t been out to eat lately 😀
John says
$6.00
20-25% is our standard range
Jenny says
$6.98
Service has to be absolutely terrible for me to tip 15%. Plus tip on the item that got comped and wasnt their fault. And I like to make the total bill an even number.
I may even be tempted to go up to $7.98 due to the current climate. Servers have suffered a lot with coronavirus and our jobs have been steady.
sam says
$7
Joe VanVoorhees says
$5.98 (~20%) I round to the dollar down if it’s under 30 cents or up if its over 30 cents.
Robin P says
$7
Mike says
Id add the salad to the total, and I include the tax. So total bill $34.97. With ok service Ill stick to 15%. So $5.25.
Ian says
6 months ago it would have been $6. A standard 20% on a $30 bill.
However, given that I have not eaten out at a neighborhood restaurant since Covid started because I’m high-risk, I would want to show my appreciation to the waiter for being an essential worker and risking his/her health while making less than minimum wage. So I’d match the bill and leave a $30 tip.
catseye says
Under those circumstances, I’d tip $5. I don’t tip 20% unless the service is very good to great.
Liz B. says
I would tip $5.00.
Cyndy says
In this case I would tip as follows:
Service based 15% rounded to $4.50
Covid reduced seating $ 7.00 because it is the right thing to do.
If I can afford this meal, I can afford to give to people who are probably struggling. If I over tipped they can pay it forward.
Hoosier fan and 1st time reply
Len Penzo says
Welcome, Cyndy! My Mom, Dad and sister all live in Indiana. I hope you’ll come back and share thoughts here on a regular basis.
CE says
$4.50
Mark says
I would tip $6 on that amount